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 Posted: Nov 04, 2006 - 08:44 AM
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Jacob: I tried Cumberpatch's method as well and that improved my shots indeed, I stopped using it though because I find it too much hassle. I'd say try it out a couple of times and see if it suits you.
The method I use: I grind directly in the basket, fill it halfway, tap the pf to level the grinds out. Then I grind on, filling the basket up to the line and then some more. Tap the pf again to level and then I use the flat of my hand (the part underneath the index finger in the centre of the pf) in a circular motion to distribute the grinds. Then a soft tamp with the C-Flat, light tap on the side, tamp with about 13kg, polish. It works for me. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 11:16 AM
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| Thanks George and Joris. I will try the simplest first, and then move up to the Cumberpatch method if the shots don't improve enough. The leveling technique you use Joris, is that the "Stockfeth move"? I have seen references to it, but never tried it. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 11:28 AM
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| "Stockfeth move" doesn't this refer to using a needle or pointed object (I use a skewer) in order to stir and even the grains? It is supposed to ensure that the sides of the basket has no air spaces, ensuring an even flow. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 11:28 AM
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Joris wrote:
Jacob: I tried Cumberpatch's method as well and that improved my shots indeed, I stopped using it though because I find it too much hassle. I'd say try it out a couple of times and see if it suits you.
The method I use: I grind directly in the basket, fill it halfway, tap the pf to level the grinds out. Then I grind on, filling the basket up to the line and then some more. Tap the pf again to level and then I use the flat of my hand (the part underneath the index finger in the centre of the pf) in a circular motion to distribute the grinds. Then a soft tamp with the C-Flat, light tap on the side, tamp with about 13kg, polish. It works for me.
For I will be soon the proud owner of a nice tamper, shouldnt you tamp with about 20 kg's? |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 11:40 AM
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GeorgeW wrote:
"Stockfeth move" doesn't this refer to using a needle or pointed object (I use a skewer) in order to stir and even the grains? It is supposed to ensure that the sides of the basket has no air spaces, ensuring an even flow.
Found a video on google. Looks like what Joris is describing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3705485316541852747
I'll see if I can do that without burning my hand  |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 12:34 PM
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 01:04 PM
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GeorgeW wrote:
"Stockfeth move" doesn't this refer to using a needle or pointed object (I use a skewer) in order to stir and even the grains? It is supposed to ensure that the sides of the basket has no air spaces, ensuring an even flow.
I think that's the "Weiss distribution technique", stockflefth's is the twisting the index finger thingy!
Yeah, I get confused too! |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 01:16 PM
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You're right.
I used to use the "index finger thingy" but then I upgraded. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 02:12 PM
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GeorgeW wrote:
I used to use the "index finger thingy" but then I upgraded.
To "middle finger"? At least that would be one of the cheaper upgrades. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 05:41 PM
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When I first posted in TMC, way back in January, about the split dose method mentioned by George and Joris : I couldn't figure out why it was improving my distribution and pour. I was now getting the pour from both spouts in unison and blonding was also delayed.
I tried playing around with a spirit-level on both counter top and machine, to see if anything was on a slope, but no solution as to why the split/d was helping my pour.
However, when I saw Mark Prince's current article on tamping http://tinyurl.com/ye84g5 about halfway down the page, he concludes, that with the standard single dose, single tamp method, the top half of the pack is overcompressed (loadsa resistance to water flow) and the lower part of the pack, undercompressed with little water resistance.
This is obviously an oversimplification, as I guess the density reduction is much more gradual.
So, who's got a triple basket and wants to try 3 layering?? Sounds like a good idea, but meanwhile the clock is ticking, your group and p/f is cooling and you could be introducing sour notes, negating any benefits from improved distribution. But the split/dose is worth a try and a handy weapon do have in the armoury.
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 06:47 PM
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We'll have a fiddle with the triple and post back QC  |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2006 - 08:48 PM
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<.......that with the standard single dose, single tamp method, the top half of the pack is overcompressed (loadsa resistance to water flow) and the lower part of the pack, undercompressed with little water resistance.>
Intuitively that seems to make sense. I can see how when pressing from the top, while the top layer would be compressed and the lower layers would be less so, on to the bottom. I would guess that the split load method tends to even this compression out somewhat.
I think that makes sense. |
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Cumberpatch quote:
<.......that with the standard single dose, single tamp method, the top half of the pack is overcompressed (loadsa resistance to water flow) and the lower part of the pack, undercompressed with little water resistance.>
Intuitively that seems to make sense. I can see how when pressing from the top, while the top layer would be compressed and the lower layers would be less so, on to the bottom. I would guess that the split load method tends to even this compression out somewhat.
I think that makes sense. |
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Posted: Nov 16, 2006 - 04:58 PM
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CakeBoy wrote:
The limited edition Iberitals that Scot has are excellent in use (nice and heavy) and looks great... The Iberital has a slight convex shape which works really well. You will love either for sure. Good luck with your deliberating and have a fab birthday
I have a Iberital tamper and yes it does look great but it's not a full 58mm, (I'd estimate it's only about 56.5mm). So if you like a good fit to the PF basket you're better off getting a Reg Barber at the exact size. IMHO.
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Posted: Nov 16, 2006 - 05:07 PM
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Or a thor... and then, like me you end up with a collection of baskets too, and none of those are the same size, so you get different tampers for different baskets  |
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